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Monthly Luncheon
Report
(Wednesday,
November 14, 2007 PCC Monthly Luncheon)
Unleashing the Potential of
Social Media
MODERATOR
Keidra Chaney, Web
Content Editor/Manager
DePaul CTI
PANELISTS
Jordan Ayan, CEO
Create-It! Inc. & Founder of
SubscriberMail
Mark Scheffler,
Executive Producer
BusinessPOV.com
Sarah Skerik, VP of
Distribution Services
PR Newswire
PROGRAM SUMMARY

Keidra Chaney (from left), Mark
Scheffler, Jordan Ayan, and Sarah
Skerik Photo by Ted
Lacey.
By Sue Masaracchia-Roberts
Social
media was the topic du jour at the
most recent PCC luncheon, featuring
DePaul University’s Web content
manager and editor Keidra Chaney as
the moderator, along with panelists
Mark Scheffler, Jordan Ayan and
Sarah Skerik, who told attendees how
to transform marketing efforts and
reach an even greater audience by
connecting people and ideas online.
Keidra
Chaney, DePaul CTI Web Content
Editor/Manager
As the Web content editor and
manager at DePaul University’s
School Of Computer Science,
Telecommunications and Information
Systems, Chaney has been a blogger
since 2003. She also is a freelance
writer and editor whose writings
have appeared in a variety of online
magazines and blogs. A co-founding
editor of Chicago6Corners.com, she
has presented papers on online
culture and related topics at a
variety of universities and is a
member of the Association of Women
Journalists-Chicago.
Chaney suggests that the traditional
message boards, e-mail blasts and
Web sites along with sites like
Web2, blogging, Second Life and
Facebook are all parts of social
networking outlets. However there
are some questions that should be
asked before one launches into these
sites.
She cited an incident involving a
New York Times article about WalMart
that appeared in early 2006.
Independent journalists interviewed
WalMart employees across the
country, however it turned out they
were not journalists at all, but
marketing staff from WalMart. "It
blew up in their faces and was a
lesson on how not to start a blog!
It reinforced the importance of
balancing transparency with being
honest.”
Quality can be measured by the
number of hits. Look to the person
who pushes the brand. For example,
Facebook broadcasts to friend
networks, getting a lot of buzz.
“Sometimes you cannot control the
direction of a blog, but instead
need to do damage control,” she
said. If you want to get a handle on
today’s blog action, she suggested
checking out
www.mashable.com.
Indicating that the current
presidential campaign has devoted
enormous resources toward leveraging
the power of social media, she said,
“Other individuals have been using
this kind of forward thinking for a
while. In this campaign, it is new
and pushing boundaries.”
Chaney can be reached at
kchaney@cti.depaul.edu.
Mark
Scheffler, Executive Producer of
BusinessPOV.com
Founder and executive producer of an
online video magazine called
BusinessPOV.com, Mark Scheffler
served as a staff reporter for
Crain’s Chicago Business covering
consumer trends, residential real
estate and executive culture, now
co-producing Crain’s Entrepreneurs
in Action profiles. Before joining
Crain’s and creating BusinessPOV.com,
he frequently contributed to the
Chicago Tribune Magazine and other
publications, and was a senior
editor for Prentice Hall, Henry Holt
and World Almanac.
BusinessPOV.com is an online video
business magazine, with a focus on
innovation and entrepreneurial
efforts in Chicago. As a form of
social media, it builds communities
and allows others to see best
practices and explore other business
models.
“The bigger media companies are
going to new media,” said Scheffler.
“BusinessPOV.com began as an
experiment, as a new way to tell
stories online. With the media
landscape changing rapidly, this is
a unique way of telling stories with
a unique focus.”
Transparency is key, according to
Scheffler and the others. “You need
to cast aside the traditional armor
put around your sites and need to be
honest or you’ll be ripped off. Be
clear, concise and interesting
without becoming too schmoozy or
PRish.”
Web analytics are a big issue. He is
all for experimenting with new ways
to get messages out while still
being a brand ambassador. That is
why BusinessPOV.com is not about
making money but is all
journalistic. “If it was all about
money, we’d be toast,” he said. “You
need to make sure the line is solid
as there is a difference between
recommending something and being
paid to say something.”
He feels Facebook is influential
with a lot of people in the network,
however it is risky to run. If
information is being sold, it
changes the dynamics of an exchange.
Consider, he urges, to see if they
blog consistently and if they have a
desire to keep the conversation
going.
As a lover of Real Simple
Syndication (RSS) feeds, there are
300 sites in Scheffler’s RSS reader,
not all of which are blogs. He said
he will read a couple of each to see
if they are interesting. He will add
people to his RSS reader if they are
relative, provocative and good
writers.
He indicated that “a blog done well
can also be used as a marketing
tool. One such blog is used by a
company called www.37signals.com;
its blog, Signal vs. Noise, is used
to talk to customers, beta test
information and discuss topics like
Web and blog design, business,
experience, simplicity, culture,
information architecture and more.
Although the site will, on occasion,
shut comments down, it will explain
why it did so.”
Sometimes people disagree with parts
of a story he produced and they will
write him. “That’s a conversation
I’ll have with people. We will
reconfigure the text due to the
conversation. I’m interested in
hearing back from people about this
story. It is important to
acknowledge [problems] and to know
you cannot police the entire Web. I
could go back and tell what others
have said, inviting them to keep me
posted.”
He also discussed an online industry
newsletter called Brew blog, a “feel
good, fluffy one that is a hybrid.
There is a fine line here between
news and influence.”
Scheffler can be contacted at
mscheffler@businesspov.com.
Jordan Ayan,
CreateIt! Inc. CEO, SubscriberMail
Founder
An expert on permission marketing,
Jordan Ayan is chairman of
Create-It! Inc., a technology
consulting organization and
strategic Web company. He is also
CEO of SubscriberMail, which
provides permission-based marketers
with services and tools to develop
and deliver e-mail, as well as being
the author of The Practical Guide to
E-mail Marketing. Some of his
clients include sports teams like
the Bulls and Blackhawks.
“Social media does not have a lot of
controls over it,” said Ayan.
“Relevancy is key. You need to know
your audience and be relevant, as
well as display a genuineness. For
example, GM’s president’s blog is
fascinating, especially since it is
obviously not written by him. Word
[of this dishonesty] will spread
quickly. If you lose being genuine,
you lose your audience.”
Ayan added, “Lurk before you leap.
Consider the perception of your
communication to your brand.”
To measure the success of a
campaign, as it is organic, one must
allow measurement over time rather
than return on investment. He
suggested reviewing open links and
click-throughs. “The life of a
campaign could go on for at least
four years.”
As advice for language to use and
not use on Web-based vehicles, Ayan
has created “The seven dirty words
you cannot say in e-mails. These are
posted,” he explained, “on PR
Newswire, on blogs and included in
my book.”
As added information, he suggested
that if a blogger posts to download
a white paper, you can track and
measure where he comes from. Also,
review the blogger’s comments and
the replies he receives.
Some things to consider before
posting a blog would be:
• Does it drive your
brand?
• Could it provide
impact for the long term?
• How do you explain it,
as there is really no guaranteed way
to measure it?
One more thing you can measure,
according to Ayan, is opt-in names,
found on each page of the Web.
“Learn to dance real well,” he said,
“and to explain, as measurement
cannot be measured in traditional
ways. The concept of being an
influencer in a group is powerful.
If material is a promotion in a
micro-segment, it is extremely
powerful. Influence builds from
below. It’s about building
relationships, not just when you
need them. You need to engage
bloggers and friends of bloggers. If
there is not genuine connection, it
doesn’t work. You cannot pitch them
something but, instead, must build
networks.”
He cited LinkedIn as a great example
of putting people in touch with
potential appropriate connections.
He uses this site to recruit
employees, finding the fee nominal.
Other sites he likes are Jigsaw,
Business Chard Exchange, Trip
Advisor, YouTube and Web 2.0 video.
However, sometimes the best reaction
to a problem situation is no
reaction. He suggested that a
reaction might just cause more
sparks.
The whole presidential campaign is
putting social media under a
microscope, according to Ayan. The
candidates and their supporters are
finding out what works and what
doesn’t and they are trying to use
it at a grass roots level.
Contact Ayan at
Jordan@create-it.com.
Sarah
Skerik, PR Newswire VP of
Distribution Services
Vice president of distribution
services for PR Newswire, Sarah
Skerik is a 15-year veteran of the
newswire industry. Before joining PR
Newswire as a product manager, she
was the marketing director for City
News Bureau’s PR News Service. She
has experience in new product
development and using social media
as a tool to help achieve the
organization’s objectives.
Among her favorite Web sites are the
“unsexy” discussion forums that
build on permission marketing and
community.
Observing “the needs [that appear]
and who engages on these and gives
permission to contact them is a
marketer’s dream,” said Skerik.
“Here are clusters of people talking
about specific topics.” To find
these topics and forums, she
suggests “Googling” them by
interest, such as her outside
interest of race horse retirement.
She added that each audience brings
traffic to the Web site and
represents an area of it. “You need
to understand where the traffic
comes from. You cannot shape online
behavior. However, you need to
understand the reality of content
being discussed,” she added. “You
need to engage in a relevant and
transparent way.”
Citing as an example of a blogging
success that engaged customers, Dell
was roasted at one time for ignoring
some rumors that appeared on blogs
in an effort to make them go away.
They now have areas with blog
technology that are incorporated
with strategic implementation. These
are in the form of their “Idea
Store,” which invites people to post
their ideas on the site. Some of
these ideas grow legs and start to
surface to the point that Dell now
has more then 700 ideas in
development that began as blogs.
Skerik suggested ripping a page out
of a marketing playbook, by engaging
web visitors so that you make
friends and encourage them “to go to
one page, and then get them to go
further. Programs that measure web
activity – Web analytics – go from
visit to action. Engage your
visitors. Social media will engage
audiences. By the time I get to the
Web site, you have a really engaged
customer. Capturing that transaction
is important.”
She added that promoting a brand on
Facebook could be interesting, using
a promotion of Tide detergent as an
example. “It might work if there are
perfume allergies even though it
removes stains. The question is how
to deal with that product. It will
come across as Here’s what I’ve
learned from an authorized person .
. . You need to recruit bloggers –
not secure them. Identify bloggers
who are intentionally friends. Have
client postings be interesting and
intelligent, including comments,
disagreements with what is said, and
add them to a blog roll. That’s what
gives them traffic. You can then
pitch them your story. Bloggers LOVE
to have exclusives!”
To start making connections with
bloggers, she suggests starting with
Technorati and Blogpulse to crate a
baseline. She also suggests checking
out social bookmarking, Digg and
del.icio.us.
She warns that opening the brand to
the outside can create loyalty, but
it can also generate bad news. Those
involved need to deal with it,
sometimes becoming crisis managers.
“If something is not true, respond
on the blog,” she said. “Introduce
yourself and post responses to
address the situation. The
conversation will happen no matter
what, so engage in it!”
If anyone is contemplating
involvement with Second Life, be
aware it is entertainment and a game
as well as being an internet forum.
“You are walking into people’s
personal space. Being there enables
you to communicate in a personal
way. It is still my space and sites
like this are more for the hobbyist.
Even if you are marketing something,
a person there must be enjoying
himself. You need to be respectful
of the space users.”
She added more of those in
technology-related groups use social
media; Twitter can be used with
shareholders, but, as much as fans
say they are a good way to keep in
touch with busy friends, some users
are starting to feel "too"
connected, as they grapple with
check-in messages on Twitter.
Although she feels they get short
shrift, Skerik particularly likes
tactical discussion forums.
Symantec, she said, has “a
gizzillion blogs” and she indicated
that Facebook has experienced a
breach in its security. “Symantec
got into those blogs; blogs are
search engine fodder. And a little
snark never hurts.”
Skerik can be reached by e-mailing
her at
Sarah.Skerik@prnewswire.com.
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